Comments on: The value of values http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193 My husband is creating a programming language Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: c3designer http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193&cpage=1#comment-1971 c3designer Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:18:31 +0000 http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193#comment-1971 As soon as I get some time to create some good looking examples :) I would like to know what examples would be interesting to you (other than Hello world!) However, please keep in mind that I'm now working on a parser generator and there won't be a C3 compiler anytime soon... As soon as I get some time to create some good looking examples :) I would like to know what examples would be interesting to you (other than Hello world!)

However, please keep in mind that I’m now working on a parser generator and there won’t be a C3 compiler anytime soon…

]]> By: loop http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193&cpage=1#comment-1965 loop Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:26:11 +0000 http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193#comment-1965 Next time include sources please =) Next time include sources please =)

]]> By: c3wife http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193&cpage=1#comment-1952 c3wife Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:05:49 +0000 http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193#comment-1952 Honestly, I don't have much experience with cycles myself, most applications I worked on had a basic need for manual memory management. So I may be wrong on that matter. I am not fundamentally against garbage collector, I perfectly understand those that use it, cannot blame someone to make it live easier if there is no drawback for him. What I stand against is languages that force it upon its users, and do not consider those that have different needs. I like to have the choice! Honestly, I don’t have much experience with cycles myself, most applications I worked on had a basic need for manual memory management. So I may be wrong on that matter.

I am not fundamentally against garbage collector, I perfectly understand those that use it, cannot blame someone to make it live easier if there is no drawback for him. What I stand against is languages that force it upon its users, and do not consider those that have different needs. I like to have the choice!

]]> By: Kannan Goundan http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193&cpage=1#comment-1948 Kannan Goundan Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:12:38 +0000 http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193#comment-1948 Most garbage collectors handle cycles just fine. The complexity of the cycle doesn't matter. It is reference counting that can't handle cycles (ex: boost::shared_ptr). Memory leaks can still occur in garbage-collected languages, but for a different reason. People who include garbage collection in a language don't "assume the programmer is an idiot that needs to be protected from herself". It's a form of automatic memory management that makes a programmer's life easier, allowing her to worry less about memory and focus on other things. Garbage collectors are not perfect, but nothing else is either. Most garbage collectors handle cycles just fine. The complexity of the cycle doesn’t matter. It is reference counting that can’t handle cycles (ex: boost::shared_ptr). Memory leaks can still occur in garbage-collected languages, but for a different reason.

People who include garbage collection in a language don’t “assume the programmer is an idiot that needs to be protected from herself”. It’s a form of automatic memory management that makes a programmer’s life easier, allowing her to worry less about memory and focus on other things. Garbage collectors are not perfect, but nothing else is either.

]]> By: c3designer http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193&cpage=1#comment-15 c3designer Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:52:37 +0000 http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193#comment-15 I posted an answer on my blog: http://alexk7.posterous.com/about-vaporware-and-memory-management I posted an answer on my blog: http://alexk7.posterous.com/about-vaporware-and-memory-management

]]> By: c3wife http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193&cpage=1#comment-14 c3wife Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:51:31 +0000 http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193#comment-14 @Michel Fortin I'm implying that some languages, like java, have completely wiped-out the possibility, and other are limiting it considerably. In the case of java, I feel it was mostly for the sake of purity, a contradiction because basic types can be used by value. The link to your article doesn't seem to work, I believe it's more http://michelf.com/weblog/2009/c3-memory-management/ You are right that I am harsh against garbage collectors. This is mostly a professional deformation because in my field, every single allocation call have to be optimized in order to be competitive. My husband leave open the implementation of a garbage collector, we just want to make sure the language can live without it. On your last question, I'll let c3designer answer that! @Michel Fortin
I’m implying that some languages, like java, have completely wiped-out the possibility, and other are limiting it considerably. In the case of java, I feel it was mostly for the sake of purity, a contradiction because basic types can be used by value.

The link to your article doesn’t seem to work, I believe it’s more http://michelf.com/weblog/2009/c3-memory-management/

You are right that I am harsh against garbage collectors. This is mostly a professional deformation because in my field, every single allocation call have to be optimized in order to be competitive. My husband leave open the implementation of a garbage collector, we just want to make sure the language can live without it.

On your last question, I’ll let c3designer answer that!

]]> By: Michel Fortin http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193&cpage=1#comment-13 Michel Fortin Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:31:58 +0000 http://c3wife.com/wordpress/?p=193#comment-13 Are you implying that some are saying that value-based programming is a bad thing? Any reference to a rationale behind that? As for garbage collectors, please read my partial rebuttal. They sure have their downsides, I think you're a little too harsh about them. http://michelf.com/weblog/2009/c2-memory-management/ One thing I'm wondering: are pointer to stack variables allowed in C3? And in that case, is there any provision to ensure the pointer doesn't outlive the stack frame? Are you implying that some are saying that value-based programming is a bad thing? Any reference to a rationale behind that?

As for garbage collectors, please read my partial rebuttal. They sure have their downsides, I think you’re a little too harsh about them.
http://michelf.com/weblog/2009/c2-memory-management/

One thing I’m wondering: are pointer to stack variables allowed in C3? And in that case, is there any provision to ensure the pointer doesn’t outlive the stack frame?

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